Thanks for elaborating, its awsome to be able to talk about this stuff openly and get into the hard questions here with someone that takes the time to post em!
I personally am very happy that new props are getting more scrutinised in Nouns to show immediate, sustained value. I don’t believe in traditional marketing anymore-putting a brand infont of eyes with no explanation or onboarding ideas seems to bring little value in my experience. How many actual people saw what you funded? How many were converted? Did this actually DO anything? This is the perk of operating in Esports-everything is online, and thus everything is tracked. I would venture to say that this single event will give more info to Nouns about what can be effective engagament tools with actual usable data than any previously passed proposal in Nouns history (if this is incorrect, please let me know!) While simultaneously completing many other goals. We are VERY deliverable driven…the entire event was designed around non traditional marketing engagements. To be blunt, this event may cost more than a standard marketing venture of putting a Noun on a billboard somewhere, but the value is the evergreen content and data that you have forever to compare all future Nouns operations with for a baseline of quality.
On to your next point, “from my understanding you guys are facing moral dilemas by working with betting sponsors and from your discord chats it reads that you can get $300,000 for a title sponsorship”. First, we have no “moral dilemas” with working for betting companies, they are the primary sponsors in the Dota 2 space. Even the International worked with a betting company this year. We will work with dozens of betting companies in the future. Working with Nouns is not a “we need to do this to survive” situation, its quite the opposite. This is an attempt to work with people we think are cool situation. No one in Dota is going to outcry if we hold a event with a betting company for 3x the prize pool, but then again thats not “exciting” for us either. Working with you guys is, and we think it will be big news in the world of gaming as a whole.
On to your second note, sorry if I was not clear on this, but that 300k was for a personal tournament that I (personally) ran with my small group of friends in the dota sphere called Midas Mode 2. As I stated, this was simply an example of what I could share because this was something that I personally owned and operated. It would be a huge breach of trust for Weplay to share their clients spends and deliverable expectations on a public forum. I can assure you however, that a professional Esports event of The Nounsvitational’s calibur runs for much more than what is in our proposal. I think it would be fair to say most Tournement Operators in the space would charge double our ask and laugh you out of the room should you approach them to do so at our price point with our quality and deliverables. Would it be possible to put 2 guys in a basement and run this for 300k? Sure. Would we pass that proposal much easier? Potentially! Would this be at all effective and worth the investment for Nouns? Not at all. We have our price point and our plan for a reason: this is how it would ACTUALLY WORK. If we were here for a easy cash grab we would propose a event we knew would fail for half the price and offer to run 3 of them over time: but that is not our goal. Our goal is to do the event we know is going to actually work. Our current plan is to run one giant event that will make headlines and blow this out of the water. Im not sure where you had the idea that there would be multiple events and more funding, we simply aim to do our jobs and nail this thing in one go.
On to “Mr. Beast and the cost breakdown section”, hopefully with the info shared above you understand that the funding of a small indie project is much different than a massive event like this. Yes, we are operating off a reduced rate to make this event. We would not run this event at a loss for us, no matter how much we like Nouns as thats just bad business. I assure you however that what we are charging is the lowest you can possibly get in this sphere, and we are treating this bad boy as a investment for both you and us, rather than any short term profit.
As for Mr. Beast, quite bluntly I dont think Mr. Beast cares about Nouns. In-fact, the entire proposal was to try to convince Mr Beast to care about Nouns. In my experience, trying to pay people to allign with you is a great way to lose money for no reason. Mr. Beast and the beasty boys arnt going to stay up all night thinking about how to effectivly get you new members and followers, they dont even care enough to come to you and ask for the proposal. I think there is a good reason why that prop got dumpstered as hard as it did-because this is the exact type of spend that gets little more than advertizing and puts a person that doesn’t believe in your mission at the helm. Litterally all the things you mentioned in your earlier post, a quick buck from someone thats not on your side.
On to “The debates around crypto and nft sentiments on a global scale don’t really matter at this point” I can see where you are coming from, but I think you are viewing this as someone with intimate knowledge about the space and are actively participating in it. 99% of people are not able to see it through your point of view, as you are on the forefront of innovation here. I dont think you guys should just “give up” on changing the narrative, I thought the Nouns goal was about expanding and spreading. Again, our goal is to win this debate with a vocal minority, but more importantly spread Nouns to people already in your space and to those that are not. Crypto did have a good year last year…but then it didnt. Most main stream media cover the massive losses and folks like FTX. I do think there is value to be had in telling people about the good you guys do in this space, if not for first timers just for people that already joined and are looking for people they can get behind.
Finally, “I would debate that the only way for people to truly understand nouns is to actively use the nouns playground and understand that Nouns has a massive derivatives community with its own artworks.” My response here is that if someone is on the Nouns playground, they are already pretty interested in your communtiy. We want to make very simple, watered down versions of cool Web3 experiences so that people who have never experienced a DAO, and never seen any value in a NFT, experience these things in a very low stress high reward scenerio. My goal is not to have people make Nouns for fun in the playground, its to get people to join your community and support you. We both agree that the best way to make this happen is for people to experience it…but they wont know or want to unless they are convinced to come. Thats why they come for the Dota, and stay for the Nouns. That is the goal here.
If “The average person will never afford a governance noun” is true, why do…anything? I was alwaysbunder the impression that Nouns was more than owning a Noun, it was a entire community dedicated to pooling resources, getting together to change the world. I cant tell you how many Nouns this event will sell-but I can tell you that it will be a hell of a lot more than making Nouns marketing for people that have already seen Nouns. At least thats how I see it.
Again, thank you for your feedback. Its really refreshing to have these debates here as I think it shows the passion of your community, and hopefully the passion we have to make this happen. Truly, thank you!